GENERATION VIII:

 

THURINGIA

 


 

SONS of TYLE VII.2

 


 

VIII.1 TILE

doc. 1381 - 1410

 

CHRONOLOGY:

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VIII.2 HEINTZ

doc. 1381

 

CHRONOLOGY:

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VIII.3 ANDDREAS

doc. 1381 - 1404

 

Brother in law of Conrad von Heringen therefore married to ? von Heringen

CHRONOLOGY:

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VIII.4 GRUPING

doc. 1381, 1401

 

CHRONOLOGY:

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VIII.5 HANS

doc. 1401 - 1404

 

CHRONOLOGY:

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VIII.6 WERNHER

doc. 1407 - circa 1433 Co-lord of Dietlas Castle

 

CHRONOLOGY:

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VIII.7 WETZEL

doc. 1407 - 1416, Co-lord of Dietlas Castle

 

CHRONOLOGY:

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SAXONY

 


 

VIII.8 KNIGHT GUNTHER von der DRESSEL called GUNTER von DROSULE OR GUENTHER von DROSELEN

doc. 1349, 1361, 1365, 1370, 1375, 1379, 1381.  Lord of Dreisel before 1349/50, lord in Schlieben 13?, lord of Colochau, Gross and Klein Roessin 1372.  Knight and courtier in the court of the duke Anhalt, 1341 - 1361.  Knight and courtier in the court of the dukes of Saxony, 1361 - 1381

 

 

CHRONOLOGY:

1349: April 6, Spandau, Brandenburg, "her Gunter van Drosule" -- "Lord Gunther Dressel called von der Droessel", witnessed that the citizens of Old and New Brandenburg, and 36 cities of the Mark Brandenburg, by command of the Margrave Waldemar of Brandenburg, pledge themselves to recognize the right of eventual successions of the Princes Albrecht II and Waldemar I of Anhalt, to the Mark Brandenburg, and to be the ruling Lords, p1.9, p5. 1349: April 6, Spandau, ?, "her Guenther von Droselen" -- "Lord Gunther Dressel called von der Droessel", witnessed a document in which the Princes Albrecht II and Waldemar I of Anhalt grant a protection letter to the cities of the Mark Brandenburg, p1.9, p5. 1349/50: Johannes Kalp von Dueben is listed as the possessor of the village Drosule, p6.2  therefore: as of this date, Conrad Droessel could no longer be Lord in Drosule 1353: "Guenther, Ritter," -- "Gunther (von der Droessel), Knight," is mentioned as being documented in this year, p7.1 1353: May 16, "Guntherus de Drosule," is mentioned as being documented on this date, a1.1. 1361: February 6, Molberg (Muehlberg), ? "Guenther (de Drosule), Ritter", is mentioned as being the Saxon Ducal Commissar for the Muehlberg Conference, p7.1

1361: February 6, Molberg (Muehlberg), "Guntheri de Drosul", sl to the proclamation from Duke Rudolf of Saxony, his brother, and his nephew that there should be a conference at Molberg to settle the diffeneces between the Archbishop of Magdeburg, the former Bishop of Merseburg, and ? (get better translation from von Sttuterheim), p8.1.

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See this document

COMMENT:

The original German document with its 14 seals which includes the oldest known Dressel seal still exists intact and is to be found in the Dresden National Archiv, Nr. O.U. 3623, p9.1, ex?. 1361: December, 20, Dobrilugh (Doberlug), Saxony, "her Gunther von der Dresul rittere", witnessed a document in which the Dukes Rudolph II and Wenzel of Saxony, for the sum of 110 "Schock breiter Groschen" absolve the monastery of Dobrilugh yearly payment of "24 Schock schmaler or 16 Schock breiter Groschen", until further notice, p9.1.

COMMENT

Today "Dobrilugh" is called Kirchkain, it is a small city 25 km. south east of Colochau. Until the Reformation the Monastery was an important Cictercian center for German culture and learning in this Slavic land. The monastery owed much land and played a significant role in local history. In 1370 it possessed 40 villages. It was originally established in 1165 as the center for the colonization of the Lausitz mark. (the location is first mentioned in 1005) After, the Reformation it came into the possession of the Saxon Ducal family. The monastery church has been preserved, but the monastery itself is now a military barrack. 1365: February 19, Molberg (Muelberg), ? "her gunther von der drosule", witnessed a document in which Botho von Ileburg Lord of Calau, acknowledges that he oues his sister Jutta, a nun in the convent of Molberg, the sum of 50 "Schock berite Groschen" in accordance to the will of their dead father. And that Jutta's money will be paid in her name to the Abtess Kunigunde of Molberg and and the "Probst" Hermann on Michael's day, p10.1

COMMENT

Here Gunther is a vassal of Lord Botho von Ileburg. 1370: March 21, Wittenberg, ?, "Junther von Drosul" witnessed that the Dukes Rudoph II, Wenzel of Saxony and their nephew Albrecht exchanged the village of Boynicz for the village of Sornou with the Abottt Heinrich and the convent of Dobirluge and that all the rights of the village Sornau were tranfered to the monks for the honor of God, Mary and all the saints, whose memory is maintained in the monaster, and that by so doing the Dukes hope to participate in all the good works that happen in that house of God, p9.2. 1371: January 6, Wittenberg, ?, "Ghuenter van der Dresul", witnessed a document in which ? (ask von Stutterhein for translation), p11.1. 1371: May 1, Gunther von der Drossel, Knight, is mentioned, a1.1. 1375: January 22, ?, "Gunther von der Droeseule", witnessed with Thimo, Lord of Koldicz, chamberlain of the Emperor, and the Captain of Breslau, and Hinrich von Wulczkewicz that they had arranged an agreement between the Abbot Hinrich of Dobirlaw and his monastery and Sophie, widow of Ditherichs von Czikaw, and her brother Hinrich von Czerticz regarding the Frankendorf estate p9.3, p13. 1376: "Gunther von der Drosel", witnessed with Cunen Rocken, Magnus Rocken, Hansen von Czbellicz, Richard von Gluch and Jennich Schaff that the Duke Wenzel of Saxony sold the two villages, Dubrow (Dubro) and Grassow (Grassau) for 85 Schock with the right of redemption to Gabriel and Benedictus von Promnicz, a4.2. 1377: July 8, "Gunther von der Drosel", is allowed by the Duke Wenzel of Saxony to take yearly 6 Schillings interest from the estate Sehusen (Seehausen is located north of Muehlberg) which he purchased from Koppen von Prittin and give this interest to the convent of Molberg (Muehllberg) as an annuity for his daughters the Rev. Sisters Metzen and Mechtilden and for the daughter of Hans von Buckenstorphs, the Rev. Sister Alheiden, a4.3. 1377: September 17, "Gunther von der Dresul" guarrented with Cune von Cocstete, Hans Loser, and Hennig van Sygeser that all profit above 40 Marks from the tariffs charged at Wittenberg on the Elbe, and the landing with the ferry will be given to the Duke Wenzel of Saxony, after the Duke signs over the profits from the tariffs at Wittenberg on the Elbe and the landing with the ferry to Rudolf Fewerstein, Cune Wyman, Tile Phapendorph, and Hansse von Aken, citizens of Wittenberg, a4.5. 1377: October 24, 25, Tangermunde, ?, "her Gunther von der drosel", witnessed a document in which ? (ask von Stutterheim for translation), p11.2. 1377: October 25, Tagermunde, ?, "her Gunther von der Drosel", witnessed a document in which ? ask von Stutterheim, p11.3 1378: April 25, Wittemberg, Saxony, "Hern Gunthere von der Drosule", witnessed a document in which ? ,p1.10. 1379: (1381): "Gunther von der Drosel", took as pawn from the Duke Wenzel of Saxony, for 819 Schock 27 Groschen the house (castle) Sliwen (Schlieben) with the exception of its personnel and the church fief and with the right of eventual redemption by the Duke, a4.6. Comment: see Conrad IV.1. (1379) if from this document it is to be believed that Conrad is dead, then he could not of been alive in (1381)

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VIII.9 REV. HENRY von der DRESSEL called HEIDINRICH von der DROESUELE OR HEYENRICH YREM (VETTER) von der DROSSEL

doc. 1380, 1385, Roman Catholic Priest

 

CHRONOLOGY:

1380: February 19, Werenzhain, ?, "Heidinrich fon der Droesuele", witnessed a document in which Kunz von Rodstock and Henschel von Reichheim stated hat the they had reached an agreement with the Abbot of the Dobrilugk monastery, Dietrich von Kotttwitz, and the Propst of Schlieben, Hans von Rodstock, regarding the Widemgut ? (Wide estate) in the village of Priessen, p9.4.   1385:  February, 12, (?) " Heyenrich yrem --- (vetter) von der Drossel",  and the brothers Hanse and Tyteriche von Slawticz, and Wenczel von der Lochow are oued 60 Schock breiter boehmischer Groschen  ???? (get the rest translated), p9.5 comment: Henry is the only documented priest the Dressel family has ever produced.

 


 

SILESIA

 


 

PROBABLY GRANDCHILDREN of NICKOLAUS ?.2

 


 

VIII.10 NICHOLAS von der DRESSEL
called NICZCO DROSSIL or NITSCHE DROSSEL

doc. lord or co-lord of a Dressel estate near Liegnitz, Silesia

 

CHRONOLOGY:

1365:  Nov.4, Liegnitz, Silesi, "Niczco Drossil" witnessed with others, that the Duchess Anna of Liegnitz verified that Hanko son of the hereditary bailiff of Liegnitz, Franczko, sold and to the Abbotess of the Benediktine Convent of Liegnitz two farms from the Ruestern estate, p13.1. 1373:  September 28, Liegnitz, Silesia, "Nitsche Drossel", witnessed with other vassals, that the Duke Ruprecht with his brother, and in agreement with the Duke Ludwig, granted to Margarethe, wife of the younger Georg Brokkotendorf, that after her husband's death, the right of possession to half of the village Prinkendorf, with all rights and property, except for the "obersten Gerichte and ordinary Dienste" ???, p13.2.

1373:  September 28, Liegnitz, Silesia, Nicsche Drossel", witnessed that the Duke Ruprecht confirmed for himself and as the guardian for his three brothers, also with the knowledge of his cousin the Duke Ludwig, Lord of Brieg, a letter of ? from house wife Kethe Doring to Georg Brockotendorf, the younger, concerning half of the village of Prinkendorf with all its property, ?, p13.3.         

1374:  March 1, Liegnitz, "Nicoloa Drossel, Heneschlino Drossel" (and other vassals) witnessed that the Duke Ruprecht confirmed for himself and as guardian for his brother that Katharina, widow of Albert Brotspysers, bequeaaed to the Monastery of the Holy Cross in Liegnitz, the yearly interest from the garden in the village of Risschontern (Ruestern), which is to be paid on the feast of St. Michael, p13.4.

 


 

VIII.11 HENRY von der DRESSEL called HENCZIL von DROSSIL

doc. 1367, 1374, lord or co-lord of a Dressel estate near Liegnitz, Saxony

 

CHRONOLOGY:

1367:  Nov. 25, Liegnitz , Silesia , "Henczil von Drossil", witnessed with other vassals, that the Duke Ruprecht of Liegnitz confirmed that Pecze Kolbil with his wife, his sister Kataherina and their mother Kunigunde, sold their estate Prinkendore, in the Liegnitz area, to Junghans von Bunzlau and conveyed to him all interests and rights, p13.5  

1374: October 27, Liegnitz , Silesia , see IV.5, Oct. 27, 1374 , above

 


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