XVII GENERATION

 

 

 

 

 

XVII.1

1.  Gunther

     documented:

     born: before 1643

 

1654 - 1643

 

XVII.2

2.  George Friedrich

     born: 1643

     died: 1690

     mar: Anna Margarithe

           

owner: 1/2 Colochau estate

    

Chronology:       

 

1646: Oct. 20, "Georg Friedrick" is listed as a minor, see 1646, Oct. 20, XI.21.

 

1650: Jan.17, "Georg Friedrich" listed as Colochau fief participant, XI.23, 1650, Jan. 17. 

 

1650: May 15, Listed as "Georg Friedrich of Colochau and Schlieben," see XI.23, 1650, Jan.17.

 

1658: Apr. 17, see XI.21, Apr.17, 1658

 

1662: Sept. 30, Colochau, Saxony


      "Georg Friedrick und Casparus Ertmanus von der Droessel" write to the Prince Elector that after the death of their father, Georg Caspar in 1645, their mother, their guardian, who died last year, obtained the "Indult" for them. (an attached note states: Indult was granted June 20, 1659) They petition for guardians and an "Indult" for 3 years. "Georg Friedrick" is the service of their Highcountly Graces of Hanau (?) and will remain there for the next 3 years; he is now in his 19th year.   "Caspar Erdmann" is 18 years old, a5.5

 

1646: Oct. 21, ("Georg Friedrick") is mentioned as a minor, see 1646, Oct. 21, XII.15.

 

1662: no date, "abroad in service of the Coounts of Hanau," see XII.15, 1662

 

1663: Jan. 3, Chencellery, Dresden, Saxony, "George Friedrich" is granted a 3 year "Idult," a5.2, Seite 119

 

1666: Mar. 2, Colochau, Saxony

      "George Friedrich" writes to the Prince Elector stating that his late guardian, "Bernhard Friedrich von der Droessel" obtained for him on Jan. 3, 1663 the "Indult"; that he (Georg Friedrich) will soon be 21 years of age; that his father's estate was completely burned and without any servants he single handed worked the property but the bad harvest did not produce enough to be sold, in fact it barely produced enough food (for the family to live on); he petitions that the "Indult"  be again extended for 3 years, a5.8. 

 

1666: Mar. 31, Chancellery,  gez (?) v. Luettichau, Dresden, Saxony, "Georg Friedrich" is granted a 1 year "Idult," a5.2.

 

1668: July 9, Dresden, Saxony

      "George Friedrick von der Droessel" petitions the Prince Elector to be admitted to the feudal duties (Lehnspflicht) and to be granted a Letter of Fief (Lehnbrief) for the Colochau village and the right of "gesamte Hand in the Schlieben estate, a5.9.

      Attached to the letter are notes stating; "Indulta" (were given) Jan. 3, 1663 and Mar. 11, 1666; that on Sept. 12, 1638 "Georg Caspar" was invested in fief with the Schlieben estate which he inherited from his late father, "Cunrad Erdtman" and with his cousins he was "granted" (bekennet) with the "gesamte Hand; that, on Mar. 16, 1612, "Cunrad Erdtman" received a Letter of Fief for his Schlieben estate and that he his brother "Guenther zu Colochau" and his cousins were "admitted" (bekennet) with the "gesamte Hand, a5.10.

 

 

Wife:

3a.  Anna Margarithe

       died: Mar. 6, 1682, Hohenbucko, Saxony

       Daughter of Bernhard Friedrick von der Droessel XII.15

 

     

XVII.3

3.  Caspar Erdman

     born: 1644

     dead: before 1672

 

Chronology:

 

1650: Jan. 17, "Caspar Erdman" listed as fief Colochau participant, see XI.23, 1650, Jan. 17.

 

1646: Oct. 21, ("Caspar Erdman") is mentioned as a minor, see 1646, Oct. 21, XII.15

 

1650: May 15, He is listed as Caspar Erdmann of Colochau and Schlieben."

 

1658: Apr. 17, see XI.21, Apr. 17, 1658 1662, Sept. 30, see XII.2. Sept.30, 1662

 

XVII.4

4.  Daughter von der Dressel

     documented:

     mar: 1646, Oct. 20,

     to Gunther von der Dressel XI.23


     "daughter of Georg Caspar" is mentioned as a minor, see XI.21, 1646, Oct. 20.

 

            

 

CHILDREN OF GUNTHER XVII.23

 

XVII.5

1.  Anton Gunther

     documented:

 

 

XVII.6

2.  Cuno Adolph

     documented:

     died 1721

     mar: Euphrosyna Dorothea von Seydewitz

    

 

XVII.7

3.  Georg Christoph

     documented:

     born: ca 1679

     mar:  Gisela Margarethe von Rauchhaupt

 

 

 

Location of the Zschirla estate in relation to Dresden and Leipzig

 

Wife:

7a.  Gisela Margarethe von Rauchhaupt

 

 

XVII.8

4.  Sybilla 

     documented: 1687

 

 

 

 

SON OF NICHEL XVI.22

 

XVII.9

1.  Hans Christoph

     documented:

     alive 1646

 

1646: Dec. 10,

      "Hans Christopher" is listed among the participants in the Letters of Fief for the Schlieben and Colochau estates, and who is now living abroad, see 1646, Dec. 10, XII.15.

 

 

 

CHILDREN OF THOMAS (DAM THE YOUNGER) XVI.26

 

XVII.10

1.   Sibylle Sabina

      documented:

      baptized: Feb. 19, 1624, Skessgen, Saxony

 

 

XVII.11  

2.  Georg Ernst von der Dressel called von der Drössel the Italian

       documented: 1636, 1646, 1651

       x Daughter of a textile manufacturer

 

       Officer in the Thirty Year War

       Later Textile Manufacturer

 

note:

Although the miniature is painted on wood and in the style of the 17th century, it is not known whether this was a period portrait or subsequently commissioned.  The portrait’s Dressel nose and his Italian type clothing may have something to do with his nickname “Georg the Italian”.

 

Chronology:

 

1625: Born around this time

 

1646:   Dec. 10 “George Ernst" is listed among the participants in the Letters of or the Schlieben and Colochau estates, and who is not living abroad, see 1646, Dec. 10, XII.15.

 

1650, Jan. 17, "George Ernst" is listed as a Colochau fief participant, see XI.23, 

 

1650: May 15, He is listed as "George Ernst of Klein Roessin."

 

1651: May 29, Dresden, Saxony

        "George Ernst und Willhelmb Henrich v.d. Droessel" write the Prince Elector of Saxony; that "Georg Ernst" served 12 years, and "Willhelmb Henrich" served 10 years in the War and lived in foreign lands.  When they finally returned, their father "Tham von der Droessel" formerly of Zabeltitz was dead. Their parents did not leave them even a Groschen for their benefit, they had to arduously work for strangers, and stay with other good people.  They participated in their cousin Guenther's Colochau Fief, which he on Feb.17, 1650 petitioned for the Fief because he, "Guenther" thought that we were dead and to seek for us the "gesamte Hand. The brothers petitioned, "Gnade vor Recht ergehen zu lasssen," that they be given the "gesamte Hand" on "Guenther's estate, a5.2  (his request was obviously not granted)

 

 

c.1666: believed to have married a daughter of a Textile manufacturer.

 

c.1667: Colochau, Saxony

        living in Colochau at the time of his son, Peter's birth, see XVIII.1

 

 

XVII.12

3.   Heinrich Wilhelm

      born: circa 1628

 

Served 10 years in the Thirty Year War

 

1636: Dec. 10, Colochau, Saxony,

      Heinrich Wilhelm" 8 years old, after his parents death is "adopted" by his cousin "Georg von der Droessel" of Colochau, see 1636, Dec. 10, X.3. 

 

1638: Nov. 19, Dresden, Saxony, "George von der Droessel" petitions the Prince Elector for an "Indult" for "Heinrich Wilhelm, son of the late "Tham von der Droessel," because of the "gesamte Hand" on those insignificant and most ruined Dressel fief-estates of Colochau and Schlieben; and states that earlier documents (from Tham) no longer exist, a5.2.

 

1646: Dec. 10, "Heinrich Wilhelm" is listed among the participants in the Letters of Fief regarding the Schlieben and Colochau estates, and who was now living abroad, see 1646, Dec. 10, XII.15.       

 

1650: Jan. 17, "Heinrich Wilhelm" is a participant in the Colochau Letter of Fief, see XI.23, 1650, Jan. 17.

 

1650, May 15, He is listed as "Henrich Wilelm of Klein Rossen," see XI.23, 1650,


            

1651, May 29,

           "Wilhelm Henrich and George Ernst" write the Prince Elector, that they were away in the War for many years; that their parents did not leave them an inheritance; that they now live in poverty; they were taken off the Fief records of Colochau because their cousin thought them to be dead; they petitioned for reinstatement, see XII.11, 1651. May 29. 

 

 

 

CHILDREN OF BERNHARD XVI.26  

 

XVII.13

1.  Wolf Dietrich

     documented:

     alive 1646

 

1649, Dec. 10,

          "Wolf Dietrich" is listed among the participants in the Letters of  Fief for the Schlieben and the Colchau estates, and is said to be living abroad, see 1646, Dec. 10, XII.15.

  

 

XVII.14

2.  Marianna

     documented:

     mar: Hans Christopher von Drandorff

 

 

XVII.15

3.  Bernhard Friedrick

     dead: before Mar. 2, 1666

     mar. 1: NN

     mar. 2: Elisabeth von Pannwitz

 

     owner: section of; Drahnsdorf and Gross Rohsssen, Saxony 

     beneficiary: of Wendish Geersdorf  (purchased Feb. 19, 1650 and Apr. 12, 1658)

    

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

      

Chronology:

 

1646: Oct. 21, Dransdorff, Nieder Lauzitz

        "Bernhardt Friedrich von der Droessel" writes the Prince Elector; that the widow of the late "George Caspar of Colochau" petitions him in the name of her two minor sons for Letters of Fief for their late fathers Schlieben estate and for the Colochau estate which "Georg Caspar" (their father) and his absent cousin, "Guenther" inherited from the  late "George von der Droessel of Colochau"; he also petitions for himself (Bernhardt Friedrick) and the other associate participants in the Fief, in the event they are still alive, who are absent and are serving in War and not knowing of "Georg Caspar's" death, therefore not able to apply for associate participation in the Letters of Fief          and the "gesamte Hand" themselves, asks for them and the "agnati" the "gesamte Hand," right of succession in the Letters of Fief and a 1 year "Indult" and for the "Muthzettle," a5.2  

1646: Dec. 10, Chancellory, Dresden, Saxony


        Note regarding the answer to "Bernhard Friedrich von der Droessel."

"Bernhard Friedrick" petitioned for himself and for his cousins who are living abroad "Gunther, Caspar Rudolph, Heinrich Wilhelm, George Ernst, Wolf Dietrich, Bernhard Friedrich, and Hans Christoph" for the "gesamte Hand" for the late "George von der Droessel's" Schlieben and Colochau estates, the last estate(Colochau) was inherited by "Guenther and the late George Caspar" The decision regarding the requested "Indult" was, Bernhard Friedrick is to bring (to Dresden) the pertinent documents an explain why "Guenther" has not in the mean time reported (to the Chancellery.) After that, the fees will be considered, a5.2.

        Comm: It could be that, "Caspar Rudolph" should be "Caspar Erdmann" and "Bernhard Friedrick" should be "Georg Friedrick"  

         

1647: Aug. 16, Dransdorff, Saxony

         "Bernhard Friedrick" writes to the Prince Elector; that his father "Bernhard" is dead; that when he was 8 or 9 years old he was sent  ive with unknown people, his guardian," George von der Droessel" did not know whether he was alive or dead; that when he was returned home (he found) that his father's two brothers, "George and Cuntz" were dead; that from the Letters of Fief it can be seen his father was not the only fief participant, and also in the succession of the "gesamte Hand;"??; that he (Bernhard Friedrick) does not know whether his father's papers were burned in Luckau, or if his minority in the Fief and for the "gesamte Hand were registeres; he begs forgiveness for the error in the Fief and petitions for a  (Muthzettle) regarding the Fiefs of Colochau and Schlieben,?????, a5.2.

 

1647: Aug. 16, Chancellery, Dresden, Saxony

         Note attached to the above document; Decision: the search through the documents from 1611 do not show that either his father Bernhard or he ever had the "gesamte Hand" in these estates, "kann man nicht unbillig Bedenken tragen" ??, a5.2.

 

1650: Jan. 17,

         "Bernhard Friedrich" is listed as a Fief participant in Colochau, see

         XI.23, 1650, Jan. 17.

 

1650: May 15,

         He is listed as "Bernhard Friedrich of Gross Rohssen and "Erbass of Dransdorf, Nieder Lausitz, see XI.23, 1650, May 15.

 

1662: no date, "Bernhard Friedrich v.d.D." petitions the Prince Elector to end the minority of "Georg Friedrich," who has finished the age of 18, and to allow him to participate in the feudal duties (Lehnplicht).   He, as the guardian for "Georg Friedrich" who is again abroad in the service of the Counts of Hanau, requests a 3 year "Indult" for him "rebus sic stantibus", a5.6.

 

1663: Jan. 3, Chancellery, Dresden, Saxony

         "Bernhard Friedrich's" request for a 3 year "Idult" for "George Friedrich" (is granted,) a5.2 Seite 119.

 

Wives:

15a.  NN 

 

15b.  Elisabeth von Pannwitz

         Daughter of Wolf von Pannwitz of Klein Gageow and Maria Anna von Ponickau       

         (mar 1: Alexander Christopher von Stutterheim of Laasow)

 

 

 

SON OF ? XVI.?

 

XVII.16

1.  Caspar Rudolph

     documented:

     alive in 1646

 


1646: Dec. 10, Chancellery, Dresden, Saxony

      "Caspar Rudolph" is listed among the associate participants in the Letters of Fief regarding the Schlieben and Colochau estates, and that he is now living abroad, see 1646, Dec. 10, XII.15.

      Comm: It is possible that "Caspar Erdmann" XII.3 is meant, but "Caspar Erdmann" at that time was a minor and not living abroad.

 

XVII.17

2.   Bernhard Friedrick

      documented:

      son of ?

      alive in 1646 

 

1646: Dec. 10, Chancellery, Dresden, Saxony

      "Bernhard Friedrick" is listed among the associate participants in the Letters of Fief regarding the Schlieben and Colochau estates, and that he is now living abroad, see 1646, Dec. 10, XII.15.

      Com: It is possible that "George Friedrick" XII.2 is meant, but "George Friedrick" at that time was a minor and not living abroad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

End of the 17th Generation